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Post  Sukerimi Sun Sep 28, 2008 12:44 am

A Kage of a village could control and build houses hosps etc by the village money. There should be like 1 mill village money. With that money you can construct houses and make the village into the biggest village in SOS. Then of course the Kage can go outside fight monsters and bosses.

A construction of a house should be like 10,000 village money

Hosp : 100,000

Academy? : 50,000

And somthing else.

Then you need village money to enter some places. A secret underground passage that you can raid Sand or somthing. What do you think? There could be a prob if the Kage puts like all into houses and not anything else.
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Post  Umaterasu Sun Sep 28, 2008 6:10 am

We are not sure if the Kage will be an NPC or a real player. If its a real player, then if the Village gets raided (and does damage), then the Kage could use the Village money to repair the damages.
How would the Village money work? Well when a ninja does a mission, and the reward is like: 3,500 ryo, then when the ninja finishes the mission, he and the village will both receive 3,500 ryo. So if you got ninjas that does alot of missions, the village money will go up.
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Post  SharinganMaster Sun Sep 28, 2008 7:15 am

i like the concept but i think the kage should stick to a npc cause ppl will go power hungry and destroy the game
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Post  conradxu Mon Sep 29, 2008 6:19 am

sharingans right, people need equal freedom and rights. exploitation of power would become available. also, how would the kage be chosen? it should stick as a npc (though i dont know how solarise would implement the ai) or there shouldnt be one. mabey village wealth could determine the strength of a village (rank)
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Post  Rev54 Mon Sep 29, 2008 10:48 am

I too like the idea that a player can be "kage" but it would be hard to determine who is, and that person would have to be online like all the time. Plus would the Kage really give out any missions? Will there be that much freedom where you have to ask the Kage for a mission? and then the Kage has to think of something to tell you to do? that would be pretty hard to pull off. I think that we should stick with the traditional MMO style, where you go up to a npc, and they as you to do something for them and you accept it. And in return you get money or other goods.

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Post  SeanAsberry Wed Oct 01, 2008 8:01 pm

yea but once you walk n the hokage room a list should pop up and you can chose a mission but the hokage as an admin, is a player and he doesnt need to be their but if he is online you can say whats up to him and he can see conditions around the game and add missions to the list.
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Post  Rev54 Wed Oct 01, 2008 9:59 pm

SeanAsberry wrote:yea but once you walk n the hokage room a list should pop up and you can chose a mission but the hokage as an admin, is a player and he doesnt need to be their but if he is online you can say whats up to him and he can see conditions around the game and add missions to the list.


I like the idea, but how ill they think of missions? Im not saying it isn't possible, but when I played WoW and GuildWars, every mission was preset, and if there were missions added, then there would be a patch update. That would mean a lot of patch updates just to add a couple of missions to the list. And will everyone have the opportunity to complete the mission, or will the mission be removed from the list once its completed.

Don't get me wrong with I like the idea that a player can create the mission, but you have to think of how it will affect the game and everyone else playing on that same server.

I guess that I would like to hear some examples of how a player being Kage would assign missions. And although assassination missions will exist, Not all of them can be like that. I mean if your told to assassinate another Kage, how could you do that if the player is not online. Assassinating a NPC I can see working because there would be bandits and what not everywhere in the game.

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Post  conradxu Thu Oct 02, 2008 12:15 am

imagine this: your chosen as hokage. would you rather sit in the office all day long, help little newbs (only answering their questions) applying budgets. or would u rather be out side killing stuff and doing events or missions?

this is the reason why everything should be automated (or atleast done by an ai)

you might not know it but, a lot of the perception people have is that "someone else will do it"
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Post  Tsengu Thu Oct 02, 2008 7:45 am

Hmm, you guys have very nice agruments. To assign missions... we could use an assistant NPC. As for the player Kage. The Kage could ask for you, and when you come to him, he could give you a mission. Say he wanted you to kill someone that was online, so you say you'll do it, and when you kill the guy, the money is automatically transfered into your account. The village will pay for it. And it will be divided amongst the people who are sent. This type of mission wouldn't give you experience but in return it would give you a healthy chunk of cash. Also, the Kages could have missions as well, I am sure we don't expect the Kages to sit in an office all day lol. Plus... there are events that the Kages have to go to (shouldn't say have to, but can go to), like the chuunin exam. To vote to see who should be chuunin.
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Post  Sukerimi Sat Oct 04, 2008 8:23 am

If the Kage isnt online, then there becomes a clone(bot) of itself maybe?
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Post  conradxu Sat Oct 04, 2008 9:31 pm

Tsengu wrote: The Kage could ask for you, and when you come to him, he could give you a mission. Say he wanted you to kill someone that was online, so you say you'll do it, and when you kill the guy, the money is automatically transfered into your account. The village will pay for it. And it will be divided amongst the people who are sent. This type of mission wouldn't give you experience but in return it would give you a healthy chunk of cash. Also, the Kages could have missions as well, I am sure we don't expect the Kages to sit in an office all day lol. Plus... there are events that the Kages have to go to (shouldn't say have to, but can go to), like the chuunin exam. To vote to see who should be chuunin.

how do we know that the kage wont give the missions to his friends? this is because there is a high reward for doing it.

also what if the kage is double clienting? and the kage picks his other character to do the mission. you have to put in the idea that he is using two computers or he is alt-tabbing.
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Post  Rev54 Mon Oct 06, 2008 7:20 am

conradxu wrote:
Tsengu wrote: The Kage could ask for you, and when you come to him, he could give you a mission. Say he wanted you to kill someone that was online, so you say you'll do it, and when you kill the guy, the money is automatically transfered into your account. The village will pay for it. And it will be divided amongst the people who are sent. This type of mission wouldn't give you experience but in return it would give you a healthy chunk of cash. Also, the Kages could have missions as well, I am sure we don't expect the Kages to sit in an office all day lol. Plus... there are events that the Kages have to go to (shouldn't say have to, but can go to), like the chuunin exam. To vote to see who should be chuunin.

how do we know that the kage wont give the missions to his friends? this is because there is a high reward for doing it.

also what if the kage is double clienting? and the kage picks his other character to do the mission. you have to put in the idea that he is using two computers or he is alt-tabbing.

That is a great point Conradxu, I was just thinking that myself. If you have someone assign jobs, then he could just always pick friends or another character of himself. This is why I think that all missions should be premade and available for everyone to do. once you have done it you dont have to do it again, however, if your part of a team and theres some people who havent done it, you can do the mission, again, but receive less exp because of your prior knowledge. Maybe there should just be Kage lvl players.

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Post  PicMan Sun Oct 12, 2008 9:51 pm

Dont make all the missions preset (just some of them)
You want to game to be different from all those other mmorpgs

and to stop kages from alt tabbing and giving all the missions to his friends
give him like a warning limit
like if 5 people go and ask for a mission and he says no he gets a warning
then after a while he can get taken off kage
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Post  Rev54 Tue Oct 14, 2008 10:42 am

PicMan wrote:Dont make all the missions preset (just some of them)
You want to game to be different from all those other mmorpgs

and to stop kages from alt tabbing and giving all the missions to his friends
give him like a warning limit
like if 5 people go and ask for a mission and he says no he gets a warning
then after a while he can get taken off kage

The warning system is a good idea but, but even that has its flaws. If you get a warning just because theres no missions available that would be unfair to the Kage. Imagine your the Kage, and you play 3 to 4 hours a night and thats all you can put in. Now as soon as you get online a message appears letting people know that the Kage is in and can go get missions, you could have 2000 people running towards you asking you for missions, and now you have to sit there and think of missions to give people? As a kage yay your in control but you would get bored if you had to sit there and think of missions to do for thousands of players. And if you dont give them a mission you get stripped of your Kage title. It's just not a reasonable thought to allow a single person to try and assign missions all the time, plus wouldn't he have to sit in on the Chunnin exams and what not? And wouldn't you want to go out and do S-ranked missions as a Kage?

A side question probablly for programs, How would that work? how could a player create a mission for someone else? Is it possible for the game to create missions on the fly? and besides a mission for assaignating someone, or a mission to go out and kill 10 bandits, what other kind of missions could you do?

Also what if the Kage isn't online when you are, and I mean what if he comes on like 6 hours before you do and he gets off like an hour before you get on? Then you wont receive any missions! and if you say that well tehre shold be an NPC that fills in, then the NPC is giving you preset mission anyways. And its not fair for someone to be stripped of his Kage position just because he doesn't play at the same time you do because he had other things to do. Now your penalizing a player for living his life outside of the game! and thats just not cool.

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